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  • G [email protected]

    That's way too non-convoluted enough

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    Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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    • maven@lemmy.zipM [email protected]
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      Yeah... I played that "serial killer or programming language inventor" game.

      The only one I was completely in disagreement with was the inventor of Python. He's definitely a mass-murderer

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        #11

        num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

        Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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        • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

          Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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          Clearly an inferior language. /s

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          • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

            num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

            Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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            #13

            In JS 0 is the same as False

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            • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

              num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

              Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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              #14

              All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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              • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                #15

                The joys of dynamic typing.

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                • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

                  All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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                  #16

                  Ah, that makes sense.

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                  • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                    num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                    Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                    #17

                    0 is false in C, Python, and JS. It should work

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                    • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                      num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                      Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                      #18

                      You'd be surprised.

                      But seriously, numbers can be used as booleans in an impressive number of languages. Including machine code for almost every machine out there.

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                      • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]
                        print("odd" if num % 2 else "even")
                        

                        That's the native python version, for those curious

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                        Why is the return first?

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                        • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

                          All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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                          That makes sense. However, num % 2 equaling 0 would mean it's even, and not "odd" like the ternary operator is outputting, yeah?

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                          • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

                            All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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                            #21

                            Ah that makes sense.

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                            • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                              num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                              Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                              #22

                              In JS at least, there's a concept of truthiness and falsiness. 0, undefined, null, and a few other non-boolean values are treated as false if used in conditionals and logical operations, while every other value is treated as true. I'm pretty sure python has something similar.

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                              • K [email protected]

                                Why is the return first?

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                                I think the idea is it reads more naturally, so you can read it like this return A if statement is true else return B

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                                • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]
                                  print("odd" if num % 2 else "even")
                                  

                                  That's the native python version, for those curious

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                                  The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                                  • K [email protected]

                                    Why is the return first?

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                                    #25

                                    Edit... I reread your comment and realized that python does it differently and that everything I typed was irrelevant... I'm still gonna leave it if anyone is interested in ternary expressions, but I suppose the answer to your question is, that's just how python does it.

                                    That's how ternary operators are designed to work. In essence, if you're looking to do a single line if/then, you can directly assign a variable from the result of a ternary expression.

                                    As an example, I was scripting something earlier where there may or may not be a value returned from a function, but I still had to do something with that return value later. For this thing, I was using JavaScript.

                                    I ended up with:

                                    return platform == "name"  ? "Option 1" : "Option 2"
                                    

                                    If I were to write that out in a typical if/then it would be:

                                    if (platform == "name") {
                                        return "option 1"
                                    } else {
                                        return "option 2"
                                    }
                                    
                                    

                                    A ternary starts with a boolean expression, then the if true value, else the false value. That's returned to either a variable or if in a function like my example, to the object calling the function. It's just a way to write less code that in many cases is easier to read.

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                                    • P [email protected]

                                      Yeah... I played that "serial killer or programming language inventor" game.

                                      The only one I was completely in disagreement with was the inventor of Python. He's definitely a mass-murderer

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                                      Are you sure it isn't just that he's Dutch?

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                                      • D [email protected]

                                        The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                                        It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          Python does that, too.

                                          https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#boolean-operations-and-or-not

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                                          Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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