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    #11

    num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

    Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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    • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

      Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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      Clearly an inferior language. /s

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      • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

        num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

        Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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        #13

        In JS 0 is the same as False

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        • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

          num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

          Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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          #14

          All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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          • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

            num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

            Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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            #15

            The joys of dynamic typing.

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            • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

              All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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              #16

              Ah, that makes sense.

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              • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                #17

                0 is false in C, Python, and JS. It should work

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                • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                  num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                  Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                  #18

                  You'd be surprised.

                  But seriously, numbers can be used as booleans in an impressive number of languages. Including machine code for almost every machine out there.

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                  • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]
                    print("odd" if num % 2 else "even")
                    

                    That's the native python version, for those curious

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                    #19

                    Why is the return first?

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                    • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

                      All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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                      #20

                      That makes sense. However, num % 2 equaling 0 would mean it's even, and not "odd" like the ternary operator is outputting, yeah?

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                      • moomoomoo309@programming.devM [email protected]

                        All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.

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                        #21

                        Ah that makes sense.

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                        • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                          num % 2 isn't a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output "odd"

                          Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.

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                          In JS at least, there's a concept of truthiness and falsiness. 0, undefined, null, and a few other non-boolean values are treated as false if used in conditionals and logical operations, while every other value is treated as true. I'm pretty sure python has something similar.

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                          • K [email protected]

                            Why is the return first?

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                            I think the idea is it reads more naturally, so you can read it like this return A if statement is true else return B

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                            • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]
                              print("odd" if num % 2 else "even")
                              

                              That's the native python version, for those curious

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                              The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                              • K [email protected]

                                Why is the return first?

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                                Edit... I reread your comment and realized that python does it differently and that everything I typed was irrelevant... I'm still gonna leave it if anyone is interested in ternary expressions, but I suppose the answer to your question is, that's just how python does it.

                                That's how ternary operators are designed to work. In essence, if you're looking to do a single line if/then, you can directly assign a variable from the result of a ternary expression.

                                As an example, I was scripting something earlier where there may or may not be a value returned from a function, but I still had to do something with that return value later. For this thing, I was using JavaScript.

                                I ended up with:

                                return platform == "name"  ? "Option 1" : "Option 2"
                                

                                If I were to write that out in a typical if/then it would be:

                                if (platform == "name") {
                                    return "option 1"
                                } else {
                                    return "option 2"
                                }
                                
                                

                                A ternary starts with a boolean expression, then the if true value, else the false value. That's returned to either a variable or if in a function like my example, to the object calling the function. It's just a way to write less code that in many cases is easier to read.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  Yeah... I played that "serial killer or programming language inventor" game.

                                  The only one I was completely in disagreement with was the inventor of Python. He's definitely a mass-murderer

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                                  Are you sure it isn't just that he's Dutch?

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                                    The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                                    It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      Python does that, too.

                                      https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#boolean-operations-and-or-not

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                                      Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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                                      • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

                                        Ah that makes sense.

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                                        It doesn't make sense. I understand it, but it doesn't make sense.

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                                        • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

                                          Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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                                          You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.

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