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  • R [email protected]

    Python does that, too.

    https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#boolean-operations-and-or-not

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    Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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    • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

      Ah that makes sense.

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      It doesn't make sense. I understand it, but it doesn't make sense.

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      • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

        Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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        You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.

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        • W [email protected]

          You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.

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          I mean, it does have enough ways to write the same thing that it can really allow for some funny code golf, but some people just have no sense of readability whatsoever.

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          • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

            It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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            That's not quite the argument you might think it is

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            • S [email protected]

              That's not quite the argument you might think it is

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              #33

              Argument?

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                print( ["even", "odd"][num % 2] )

                If you need to avoid evaluating the wrong branch:

                print( [lambda: "even", lambda: "odd"][num % 2]() )

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                  #35

                  For optimal performance, you should rewrite it in Rust:

                  inline_python::python! {
                      print(js2py.eval_js("(number) => number % 2 ? 'odd' : 'even'")(number))
                  };
                  
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                  • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                    Argument?

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                    #36

                    You know, the stuff in @_

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                    • satyrsack@lemmy.sdf.orgS [email protected]

                      Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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                      #37

                      no, the linked table shows how python also returns the first non-falsey result of an a or b expression rather than just giving a boolean. it's useful for initialising optional reference args:

                      def foo(a: list = None)
                          a = a or []
                      

                      works with and as well.

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                      • E [email protected]

                        For optimal performance, you should rewrite it in Rust:

                        inline_python::python! {
                            print(js2py.eval_js("(number) => number % 2 ? 'odd' : 'even'")(number))
                        };
                        
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                        #38

                        And now you can use wasm to run it in a browser!

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                          And now you can use wasm to run it in a browser!

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                          #39

                          Full circle 😆

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                          • S [email protected]

                            Please. That's C's ternary operator. JS is just a pile of garbage cosplaying as a programming language

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                            Why do you say it's a pile of garbage?

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                            • D [email protected]

                              The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                              Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                              • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                                It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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                                You clearly haven't used Perl a lot. Perl's ternary looks like:

                                $even = $num % 2 ? "nay" : "yay";

                                Incidentally, it is also the same as PHP's, but mainly because PHP stole it.

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                                • B [email protected]

                                  Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                                  #43

                                  Oh, (you) (really) (like) (Lisp)?
                                  (That's) (great!)

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                                    #44

                                    Lisps makes more sense to me though

                                    (if condition a b)

                                    VS

                                    a if condition else b

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                                    • V [email protected]

                                      Why do you say it's a pile of garbage?

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                                      Because of all the garbage

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                                      • L [email protected]

                                        You clearly haven't used Perl a lot. Perl's ternary looks like:

                                        $even = $num % 2 ? "nay" : "yay";

                                        Incidentally, it is also the same as PHP's, but mainly because PHP stole it.

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                                        You do get the if in the middle of stuff though in the form print(debug message) if $debug

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                                        • V [email protected]

                                          Full circle 😆

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                                          Make sure the browser is made using Rust and run on a VM running on Linux, compiled to WASM.

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