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  • P [email protected]

    Yeah... I played that "serial killer or programming language inventor" game.

    The only one I was completely in disagreement with was the inventor of Python. He's definitely a mass-murderer

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    Are you sure it isn't just that he's Dutch?

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    • D [email protected]

      The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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      It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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      • R [email protected]

        Python does that, too.

        https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#boolean-operations-and-or-not

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        Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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        • kn0wmad1c@programming.devK [email protected]

          Ah that makes sense.

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          It doesn't make sense. I understand it, but it doesn't make sense.

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          • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

            Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

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            You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.

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              You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.

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              I mean, it does have enough ways to write the same thing that it can really allow for some funny code golf, but some people just have no sense of readability whatsoever.

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              • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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                That's not quite the argument you might think it is

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                • S [email protected]

                  That's not quite the argument you might think it is

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                  Argument?

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                    print( ["even", "odd"][num % 2] )

                    If you need to avoid evaluating the wrong branch:

                    print( [lambda: "even", lambda: "odd"][num % 2]() )

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                      For optimal performance, you should rewrite it in Rust:

                      inline_python::python! {
                          print(js2py.eval_js("(number) => number % 2 ? 'odd' : 'even'")(number))
                      };
                      
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                      • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                        Argument?

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                        You know, the stuff in @_

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                        • satyrsack@lemmy.sdf.orgS [email protected]

                          Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

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                          no, the linked table shows how python also returns the first non-falsey result of an a or b expression rather than just giving a boolean. it's useful for initialising optional reference args:

                          def foo(a: list = None)
                              a = a or []
                          

                          works with and as well.

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                          • E [email protected]

                            For optimal performance, you should rewrite it in Rust:

                            inline_python::python! {
                                print(js2py.eval_js("(number) => number % 2 ? 'odd' : 'even'")(number))
                            };
                            
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                            And now you can use wasm to run it in a browser!

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                            • A [email protected]

                              And now you can use wasm to run it in a browser!

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                              #39

                              Full circle 😆

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Please. That's C's ternary operator. JS is just a pile of garbage cosplaying as a programming language

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                                Why do you say it's a pile of garbage?

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                                • D [email protected]

                                  The ternary syntax is really my only real gripe with python design -- putting the conditional BETWEEN the true and false values feels so very messy to me.

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                                  Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                                  • rbos@lemmy.caR [email protected]

                                    It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

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                                    You clearly haven't used Perl a lot. Perl's ternary looks like:

                                    $even = $num % 2 ? "nay" : "yay";

                                    Incidentally, it is also the same as PHP's, but mainly because PHP stole it.

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                                    • B [email protected]

                                      Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                                      Oh, (you) (really) (like) (Lisp)?
                                      (That's) (great!)

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                                      • B [email protected]

                                        Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

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                                        Lisps makes more sense to me though

                                        (if condition a b)

                                        VS

                                        a if condition else b

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                                        • V [email protected]

                                          Why do you say it's a pile of garbage?

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                                          Because of all the garbage

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